Q
qpqpqp
New Member
Korean
- Oct 25, 2021
- #1
Hi.
Could you explain to me the difference between '
sth' and '
peck awayat sth'?
the former doesn't have at, while the latter does.
e.g.
The bird is
crumbs.
The bird is
at crumbs.
Thank you for your answer in advance.
The Newt
Senior Member
New England
English - US
- Oct 25, 2021
- #2
Both are possible, although the second seems more likely. The first refers to the bird as removing the crumbs (and eating them).
lingobingo
Senior Member
London
English - England
- Oct 25, 2021
- #3
It’s not a good example, since “pecking away crumbs” is a most unlkely thing to say. It implies pecking crumbs to remove them. But in terms of the addition of “at”:
In a transitive use of a verb, it takes a direct object.
The bird pecked a hole in the fruit.
In an intransitive use of a verb, it needs a preposition to join the action to the object.
The bird pecked at the fruit, making a hole in it.
Q
qpqpqp
New Member
Korean
- Oct 25, 2021
- #4
The Newt said:
Both are possible, although the second seems more likely. The first refers to the bird as removing the crumbs (and eating them).
thank you!
> The first refers to the bird as removing the crumbs (and eating them).
Then how about the second? it sounds like just eating the crumbs?
lingobingo said:
It’s not a good example, since “pecking away crumbs” is a most unlkely thing to say. It implies pecking crumbs to remove them. But in terms of the addition of “at”:
In a transitive use of a verb, it takes a direct object.
The bird pecked a hole in the fruit.
In an intransitive use of a verb, it needs a preposition to join the action to the object.
The bird pecked at the fruit, making a hole in it.
thank you!
You mean, 'peck' as a transitive verb comes with the result that will be/is/has been happened by the action 'pecking',
while 'peck at' as an intransitive verb comes with the target that will be/is/has been influenced by the action 'pecking'?
Did I understand correctly?
The Newt
Senior Member
New England
English - US
- Oct 25, 2021
- #5
qpqpqp said:
thank you!
> The first refers to the bird as removing the crumbs (and eating them).
Then how about the second? it sounds like just eating the crumbs?
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Yes, picking up and eating the crumbs. "Away" in "pecking away at" simply conveys a sense that the bird is doing it without inhibition.
Q
qpqpqp
New Member
Korean
- Oct 25, 2021
- #6
The Newt said:
Yes, picking up and eating the crumbs. "Away" in "pecking away at" simply conveys a sense that the bird is doing it without inhibition.
Oh, I understood it! Thank you for your kind answer!
Packard
Senior Member
USA, English
- Oct 25, 2021
- #7
I would only add that "peck" (verb) has other meanings. In humans we give a "peck on the cheek", which is a quick and informal kiss.
Humans peck at their food which is nibbling or picking at it and consuming little.
I assume that these meanings are derived from the pecking action of birds--but I have no documentation to back that up.
And while Woodpeckers perform a machine-gun like pecking, in the world of dangerous birds, the damage is almost universally done with their legs. Some with fatal resolutions (the human dies; not the bird).
lingobingo
Senior Member
London
English - England
- Oct 25, 2021
- #8
qpqpqp said:
You mean, 'peck' as a transitive verb comes with the result that will be/is/has been happened by the action 'pecking',
while 'peck at' as an intransitive verb comes with the target that will be/is/has been influenced by the action 'pecking'?
Did I understand correctly?
I really don’t think so. It’s not even clear what you mean by that. You seem to be confusing transitive and intransitive with active and passive?
Packard
Senior Member
USA, English
- Oct 26, 2021
- #9
Or maybe “pecking order” was in the back of qp’s mind and it is confusing the situation.
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